Sunday, May 15, 2005
Lacanche Part 10
lacanche ranges part 10
Posted by taosport (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 9:10
I am considering the Cluny plus 1 for a new kitchen project. I live in Atlanta and have not been able to see these stoves in person to check out the build quality. I have had an AGA for the past 4 years so I have become used to a really solid stove. Any comments on this or maybe someone near Atlanta has a Lacanche I could see?
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· Posted by: OSSWB (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 10:33
So are replacing the AGA? If so --- why?????
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 14:28
Just wanted to post that my Lacanche (Cormatin, black, 4 burner)was installed yesterday!! It is amazing!! DH is almost as thrilled as I. It is beautiful, solid and works perfectly. Oven temp is accurate and the 13,000 btu burner is very, very hot. The grill plate, griddle plate and simmer plate are the best I've seen, very well fitting and heavy. I'd post pics but my kitchen is not finished, actually it is not started, but that's a long story. Actually, Art Culinaire and my Lacanche have been the only things in my kitchen remodel that have not been disappointing and my list of people and things that did not perform as promised is sadly quite long. Good luck to you all as you navigate through your appliance choices. Jennifer
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 14:42
Jennifer! How exciting!! Congratulations on the installation of your Lacanche! Okay, so don't take a picture of the rest of your kitchen...but DO give us a peek at that range!! Deb
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 15:09
Yay, Jennifer! I think you ordered yours before I did mine, so it must be really gratifying to finally be cooking on it. Enjoy!
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 21:12
Thanks Anna and Momto4. I made salmon tonight and the outside was super crispy and the inside very moist, just like I like it. I also make Asian stirfry and the veggies were crisp and perfect. No more stewed veggies on my old Kenmore. That 13,600 btu hob is frightening! : ) Hubby is a bit over excited about it and just loves the wooshing sound it makes when it ignites. Did I mention how pretty it is? : )
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 7:03
You're teasing us! Pictures, PUHLEEEEZE! We won't look at any part of the kitchen that may happen to sneak into the picture! Promise!
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 7:45
Remember my post about 49 days? I miscalculated! It doesn't matter we're going to run over our April 15th deadline anyway. What else is new? The good news is that our cabinets are being delivered and next week installation starts. We're not that far away now from seeing what Sully is going to look like in the kitchen! YAY -- Yeah! Let's see some pictures Rosyjennifer! Pretty please?
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 20:41
I've seen a million websites for Lacanche in UK--at very nice prices. Does anyone have experience with shipping one over from there?
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 14:32
I haven't heard from anyone about my previous message, but wanted others to know that I called UK today--a store called ApplianceDepot. Got a real person instantly who was extremely knowledgeable, explained everything, including the fact that the Cluny had dropped in price this week, and told me I can have delivery in 8 weeks. They can't ship directly but gave me the name of an exporter. Called him. He spent lots of time with me, and long story short, it seems to be cheaper to do this purchase in the UK than to buy it here in U.S. Not to mention that the entire Lacanche website seems to be about people dreaming of owning one in a year's time. So, again, has anyone out there done this importing by themselves?
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 15:07
vedazu, Hi. In the year and 1/2 I've been checking this forum many have attempted to import a Lacanche and to my knowledge no one has been successful. I attempted it last year, but could find no one to export to me and ordered I mine through Art Culinaire. I even recall some who were attempting a group import to save on shipping and I believe that failed, too. I don't know how much you will save if you can make it work but you should be aware that you'll have to convert the electrical system ie: you just can't plug it in. An electrician can explain this better than I! Also, the range's controls will be in celcius. There was also some issue with the range not being UL listed and problems with homeowner's insurance if the range was improperly converted.
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 15:18
Rosyjennifer: Thanks for the heads up--but I thought since 220 current is standard for ranges, there wouldn't be a problem. . . .oh, well. I'll keep investigating.
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· Posted by: Hunzi (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 17:13
I am considering the Cluny plus 1 for a new kitchen project. I live in Atlanta and have not been able to see these stoves in person to check out the build quality. I have had an AGA for the past 4 years so I have become used to a really solid stove. Any comments on this or maybe someone near Atlanta has a Lacanche I could see? taosport, I noticed you said you're in Atlanta, but your profile says Idaho; does this mean you left your AGA behind in Idaho? Or have you had it for 4 years in Atlanta? Why the switch to Lacanche? (no offence intended to all the Lacanche lovers) Always ;-) Hunzi
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 19:54
VedaZu, After reading your post about saving money by importing a Lacanche from the UK I thought I might add my humble 2 cents. I'm not sure what the savings to you would be. But here are some things to consider. If there is a problem with the Lacanche will someone be willing and able to help you resolve it? Is the time your taking researching this starting to cost you money (meaning your time has value)? Will the money you save be worth the potential aggravation involved with importing a stove on your own and the electric conversion that is necessary? I'm only bringing these questions up because I have had a more than excellent experience thus far with AC. I've been working mainly with Stan who did not want to kill me after numerous changes to the order. So far they have gone above and beyond my expectations. I should add that I'm not related to them in any way and I'm not getting a kick-back for plugging them! ;) I also didn't have to wait a year for Sully. He actually is waiting for me. It did take 12 weeks for him to arrive. However, he arrived when they said he would. I wish you all the luck in the world. As long as there's a Lacanche in your kitchen you'll be just fine! :)
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 23:58
Jack's Mommy, Thanks for taking the time to write--these are all valid points, and I'll most surely speak to the U.S. reps, too, especially about delivery time. My brother, the electrician--who could be wrong, but not usually--tells me no conversion is necessary since these are 220 volts appliances and we use the same for ovens in the U.S.--the cycles are different in U.S., 60 as opposed to 50, but unless I care about the accuracy of clocks and timers--and I don't think there are any, I'm probably all right. (Now, I hope if he's wrong, lots of people will immediately write to me to tell me so!) But I'll let you know what I find. I sure want this stove! I've lived in Russia for long periods and had an Italian stove with a similar burner configuration. I'm not opposed to using Celsius.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:02
Rosyjennifer - Oh my gosh!!! I just found this as I've not had the time to get on the forums lately so I am VERY excited to hear you love your Lacanche and this has been a positive for you! That is just wonderful. I can relate to all the disappointments and we have not started yet but here's the good news. I "think" we are starting our tear down on Monday!!!! We finally found an awesome contractor and if we can finalize the contract on Saturday my house will be dust and glorious piles of junk on Monday. :o) vedaZu - I don't think you can get this done. Others have tried and AC is the only way to get a UL approved Lacanche into this country. There has been a LOT written on previous Lacanche threads regarding this issue and it is fraught with problems ranging from costs to convert to UL conformity and testing (which one posted will render the range unusable) to inability to insure, to difference in gas jets in France vs. USA and on and on. I would HIGHLY recommend you put your energy into working with AC because they have a gentlemen's agreement with all these overseas Lacanche dealers and I am quite sure there is no way to make this happen. In addition, if you ever need repairs or replacement parts you will wish you had worked with AC. They are extremely conscientious and they stand behind their product 100%. I personally would have never considered trying to sidestep their agreement with Europe to sell this range in America. It just won't happen.
Linking to Part 9...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:30
Thought we should link to past thread for reference.
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche ranges Part 9
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:35
Zolablue: Thanks for these thoughts! I've only just started this process, and came to the Lacanche 9 website, which looked for all the world like the Emperor's New Clothes: lots of people talking about a wonderful range which no one has yet! So, expecting to be last in line, I started exploring the other options. I'm sure you are all correct! I don't even know what you are talking about when you refer to AC--who/what is it? I've asked for a brochure from Frenchranges in U.S. (or whatever.) When I get it, I'm sure I'll understand more.
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· Posted by: lorieanne (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 9:58
I ordered my Volnay Lacanche in Jan. Now trying to figure out the vent situation. What size Vents are you all using for the cluny or volnay( 40"). I want the ventahood with the hearth look, but, I am not having it go all the way down to the counter on the sides. I planned on just some pretty corbels on the sides to support the wood hood as I am short on room on this wall. I had tentatively planned on a 42" (40 3/8 actual ventahood size) ventahood but the KD says I should go to 46 3/8 which really is a 48" cabinet hood. This seems way too big. The appliance store said I should be fine at the 40 3/8. What do you all feel is most appropriate? I want to keep as much cabinet space on either side of the range and the 48" hood seems like it will cut into my upper cabinets quite a bit. Thanks for any help you can offer. lorieanne
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 10:34
vedaZu - Well, I've had my Cluny sitting in my dining room since last June!!! :o) Unfortunately, we have had one heck of a time trying to find a contractor so there it sat! Many people from the forum ordered Lacanches but its too bad they did not stick around to comment after they were installed and so I keep reading remarks on other threads that we are all the "mutual admiration society" that only loves these things for their looks which, of course, is not the case. Some of those same people who took delivery on their Lacanches over a year ago are still posting and letting us know how they are functioning and we are grateful to them. I PROMISE to stick around a while after ours is in to report and answer any questions I can. I know how it feels to be on the other side desperately trying to find information about a range that you want but strongly hesitate to buy without seeing it. AC is Art Culinaire, the only USA Lacanche dealer located in WA State. They are very good people!!! :o) lorieanne - can you believe I have not yet investigated my hood? I am planning to buy a VAH (VentaHood) liner and put in a custom hood but this is one area that is causing me more than a little angst. I have a very specific idea about how I wish for it to look but as I said above we've been so preoccupied with other things trying to get the job going I have not gotten this done. I will be looking next week and if nobody else replies I will let you know what we are doing.
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 10:48
Lorieanne, whenever we get around to remodeling the kitchen and installing a hood, I'll probably go with the Vent-a-hood 42" liner with 300 and 600 cfm blowers, in a hearth-like enclosure. According to the specs from Art Culinaire, that should be just fine.
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 11:15
Lorieanne-I have my liners, but not my range! My range is the Sully +2, so it's 87" wide. I ordered 2 VAH 42" liners (dual blowers). They'll be tucked up inside a custom-built liner very much as you've described (see picture of my idea at the link). My hood and range will be inside a bit of an alcove. VAH recommended the configuration of two 42" units to me and said it wasn't necessary for me to exceed the sides by the customary 3". Plus, my hood will be 36" off the top of the range, which they also said was okay. It's so big, I don't want to feel consumed by it. Good luck with your hood! Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: Hood and Alcove for Lacanche Range
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 15:26
Zolablue: In honor of your promise I too promise that I will stick around after Sully is installed and being cooked on. VedaZu is right about the Emperor's New Clothes! I'm not letting the lack of posts worry me because I know bad news travels fast. All those former posting Lacanche owners are happily cooking away right now while we are all pining away for that moment. I know what I'd rather be doing right now! Lorieanne: I wish I could help you more on your hood liner situation. I'm getting a Sully which is 55 inches long. My appliance guy said that I will only need one 45 inch venter thing . We got a Best L4560 that is 1500 CFM. I would have preferred VAH based on what I've heard here but my kitchen designer and my appliance guy convinced me I should get Best. (And the builder already set up the kitchen for one!) I'm also not thrilled with a single unit, I think I should have had two smaller ones but what do I know? My appliance guy said because the lowest part of my hood has to be 36 inches off the stove it doesn't matter. I know that's probably not much help to you, but that's what we did with our hood anyway. ;) Deb: It sounds like your kitchen is going to be just amazing. I'm glad that you're doing the dual blowers. What are the CFMs on your blowers? Rumor has it around here that Sully gets installed next week. I'll be sure to take some preliminary photos to share although it won't be the same as the finished product. The builder's crew is bringing in extra help on Monday to lift the 629 pound stove up the stairs and into the house! I think they're going to template for the countertops too. YAY!
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 11:58
I have to go VAH shopping but before hand can any of you tell me what you think would be the best size to use for the liner? Would that be the 42"? I'm dumb on the subject and admit to not having gotten to this point yet and now I must! anna - I have the ventilation recommendations from AC but they say to get the 600 - 900 cfm blower so does that mean there are different options in the 42" liner? Btw, someone asked on a previous thread about the Lacanche hood but even AC will tell you not to buy that one.
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· Posted by: lindak5 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 16:48
Zolablue-I have the the 40" Cluny and VAH 40 3/8" liner with two blowers at 600 cfm-900 equivalent CFM, whatever that means. I believe the style is "PSLD". You can probably see the specs on it on their web site. I've had it for about a year now. Works fine, altho a little loud. I opted for the halogen lighting vs the flourescent-you get two with this size. My husband built a hood cover for it. My kitchen is the one that will take about another 1-2 years to complete cuz it's basically a DIYer for my husband. I'm content tho because my Cluny is up and running. Love it. Hope this helps. LindaK
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 18:34
No Lacanche Photos! I can't believe it! My builder re-crated Sully in its place in the kitchen! I can see a tiny portion of it through the space between the side of the crate and the cabinets. I guess I'll have to wait to share photos.
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 19:10
I have the ventilation recommendations from AC but they say to get the 600 - 900 cfm blower so does that mean there are different options in the 42" liner? I *think* so. I believe with the 42" you can put in 2 blowers. I was planning to get one 300 and one 600 for a total of 900 CFMs when both are necessary (like when you're using all five of those burners for a huge meal!).
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 21:46
taosport - I live in Atlanta and LOVE my Cluny+1. Let me know if you want to come by and see it. I've included a link to my kitchen photos (including the Cluny).....
Here is a link that might be useful: Warren's kitchen
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· Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 22:02
Warren-- BEAUTIFUL kitchen. May I ask where you got your soapstone? Pamela
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 22:22
Yes, Warren! Beautiful! I'd like to know about your faucets. Deb
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 8:39
Soapstone came from a local warehouse (G&L Marble) but I think it was sourced from Green Mountain. Faucets are Perrin & Rowe
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· Posted by: kecs (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 11:56
Warren: Props on your gorgeous kitchen. What flooring is that I see in the pics? Thanks, Kris
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 13:08
Yellow travertine - laid in a running bond pattern with butt joints (virtually no grout).
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 14:43
Thanks, Anna and Linda for the VAH info. I have spent so long researching eveything and cannot believe how much I do not know about venting, lighting, etc. I'm in crunch time now to figure this out and never thought that would happen! :o) Warren - Come on...you're killin' me with that GORGOEOUS kitchen!!! Geeeeeeeeeeeez, it is WONDERFUL!!!
Cabinets?
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 15:01
Warren, please tell me what line of cabinets you have. They are drop-dead gorgeous!
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 17:49
I have two of the same VAH units that Linda K has. I guess it's a total of 1200 CFMs if all blowers are on.
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 18:51
The kitchen was designed by Kitchensmith here in Atlanta (Highly Recommended - can't say enough about them) and the cabinets are by Signature. They are the elite beaded inset in linen white - we were going for a classic style since we live in an old house. The link to their website is below:
Here is a link that might be useful: Signature Custom Cabinetry
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· Posted by: postquake_angela (My Page) on Thu, Mar 11, 04 at 23:25
Warren, your kitchen is dreamy. Love the butcher block and the way you've positioned the prep faucet. And the stainless Lacanche is breathtaking.
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· Posted by: szkiki (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 7:48
Hello I am about to purchase the Sully, however I have some reservations about the cleaning. Can you help? The Burners: If you have a pasta spillover...where does the goey water go? Does it ever seep underneath the gas ring? Do crumbs fall under the ring. On other ranges (Wolf, La Cornue)...there is a tray to pull for cleaning. Can you explain please? Th Ovens: Are they hard to maintain? How do you clean them? Thankyou for taking the time to respond. Sincerely, Suzanne Westport, CT
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 19:32
Warren, I have to ditto your previous compliments! Your kitchen is gorgeous! Suzanne, I'm in Fairfield. Right now I've got about one more month to go before my home is finished. But you're welcome to see Sully in person if you'd like. Our Lacanche has a crate around it in its place in the kitchen for now but will be unveiled soon!
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 23:52
Since you were on the subject of hoods, does anyone have any ideas about hoods for a Cormatin? My KD wants to make the stove look big by having a hood bigger than the footprint of the stove (42" hood for the 27 3/4" Cormatin), but that seems odd. Any comments or even better, suggestions. AC e-mailed today and said the stove should arrive the week after next. But I'm not in a hurry, since our house isn't close to being completed.
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 10:28
Percheron, I purchased the Cormatin as well and the Vent-A-Hood Euroline Pro 36". I think something as large as the 42" will dwarf the Cormatin unless you're only using the liner and making an architectural statement for the entire cooking area. Everything's still in boxes and crates though so I won't have pictures ready for a few months, sorry.
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 13:37
Percheron, another Cormatin owner here. We bought the liner, and are installing it in a big box the length of our short wall, incorporating extra lights for a pot rack and a 27 inch counter next to the stove. (More of an architectural feature, as spacific is suggesting.) If it's just the hood, that does seem a little oversized to me as well, and why buy more hood than you really need? Most include the hood with shelving into an alcove or other type of arrangement than by oversizing the hood itself.
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· Posted by: FrenchTeacher (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 17:05
I haven't posted in a while, but have been checking in every so often. It sounds like some of you are progressing steadily. I'm so excited for you. I was just notified that my Cluny will be ready for shipping and that I should have it in about 3 weeks. I'm so excited, although my project still won't be starting until mid-June; cabinets will be installed in August sometime. Speaking of hoods, last week I ordered a copper hood from handcrafted metals (found them advertised on this site). They are very responsive and helpful. The style I chose is called the French country bell. There's a photo on their website. I'm going to have an island design, so it will be a focal point of the kitchen. They were recommending the 1000 cfm for an internal blower or 1400 if we go with an external one. The engineer said that by turning a more powerful blower on a lower setting, the noise will be less noticeable. Maybe this will help someone out there as you work your way throught this phase of your kitchen. Good luck!
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 18:12
French Teacher, Handcrafted Metals is making my sink(s) which should have shipped this week. (I started talking with them last November.) I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product as I know they care about what they do. They have been extremely helpful to me, and isn't it so nice to deal with a company that is still "Small Enough to Know You, and Big Enough to Serve You?" I'm glad you found them; I've been telling everyone I know!
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 19:43
Hi ClaredeLuna and Spacific: I should have provided more details. My husband is a blacksmith so he is making the hood. The KD thought a hood flaring out to 42" wide on the bottom would make the stove "look bigger". If I understand you correctly, you are saying that a 42" hood would most likely dwarf the stove. Please share your thoughts on a better hood design. I have a 19'+ galley which is a 30" deep recessed wall with the stove in the center, flanked by 2 long simulated divided light casements on either side with bottom cabinets underneath, and then a 39" pantry unit on one far end, and a 39" bottom freezer refrig on the other far end. No upper cabinets. A 12" long, 4' wide island will be parallel to the galley wall. Your ideas are valued and appreciated!
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 1:25
Percheron, I don't really have any suggestions, but I am wondering why your KD wants to make your stove look bigger. The Cormatin may be petite, but it has a lot of presence! It just seems like a 34-36 inch hood would be more in scale than 42 inches. (My concern is the hood making more of an impression by being top-heavy, rather than setting off your beautiful range!)
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 15:07
Hi ClaireDeLuna: Yes, thank you, 34-36" sounds more in line. We will use a liner and my husband will make the hood - is Ventahood the one of choice that you have found? I looked on the Handcrafted Metal site, and you will have a beautiful sink indeed. And FrenchTeacher, their hoods look like a wonderful complement to the Lacanche.
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 16:34
Ventahood seemed like the best choice for us. We picked the pro style 34" liner to tuck up into our box. How nice that you will have a "Handcrafted" hood yourself, made by your husband! (Thank you; I'm really looking forward to seeing how those sinks turned out!) Good luck with your project.
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 19:08
What we are doing to make the cooking space the focal point overall, is to have the center hood flanked by two stainless shelves with hanging racks for pots. The cormatin will have a small cabinet (or cart) on either side with butcherblock tops. By not having upper cabinets squeezing in, I think it will help give the area some presence. You could do something similar on either side of the hood to complement the hood. Custom pothangers designed by DH? I do like the idea of flared ends for the hood as they will draw the eye horizontal, but when I first read your comments of the 42" hood, I immediately thought about very wide brimmed straw hats and how you don't see the face, but just the hat. I'll
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 20:14
spacific-you'll what? ...stop laughing now?...come back later?...see you tomorrow? I'll...I'll...you're killing me! It's like when someone starts to tell me something and they completely draw a blank. It bothers ME more than it bothers them! BTW, I love the idea of the custom pot racks. Deb
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 22:20
Hi Momto4Kids: You are funny! We will have to see what Spacific left out. Hi spacific: Yes, custom pot racks on the wall. I have never thought of that - what a great idea and great look. This sounds much better than the KD's idea of flanking the stove w/15" drawers on each side, and then flutes on the end of each drawer, bumping the whole thing out and putting a large hood on top. It sounds (and would look) too contrived. Thanks for your ideas!
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Mon, Mar 15, 04 at 19:07
It was just a brain hiccup. I think I was going to say I'll post any other ideas I come up with. Guess I haven't come up with any more. Glad you like the one I had.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 17, 04 at 15:15
For any of you who are buying the Ventahood liner for the Cluny - do you have a good source that would possibly sell to me in NE? I went to the only VAH dealer in town and their lead time for the size I'd need is the end of June! He said they may be able to get it sooner but this is the story of my life living in Omaha. We are torn apart and in the midst so I need to find a reliable source in case they cannot get this for me in good time. HELP!!! :o)
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 0:23
Chelly, Try Thurston Kitchens in Denver. If you can't find the number, let me know and I will get it for you. Good luck!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10 - Vent-a-hood
· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 0:26
Chelly, P.S. Their number is 303 399-4564. I have never dealt with them, but I am dealing with one of their satellites in Western Colorado. I figured Denver would be much closer for you.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 11:07
Thanks, Judy. Omaha is a fairly large city but so conservative - buying things I want is more like pulling teeth! :o)
· Posted by: Nebs (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:08
Why not try contacting Ventahood and asking if there are any distributors in your area. If there are none, ask about Des Moines or Kansas City.
Here is a link that might be useful: Ventahood
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· Posted by: Hunzi (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:12
Zola, I'm in Omaha too! Can I come oooh and ahhh over your Lacanche when you get it installed? I'd love to see one in person. Always ;-) Hunzi
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:34
Hunzi, sure anytime! :o) Right now it is in our LR covered with blankets and plastic so I have not seen it for a couple weeks and actually miss it. But at least we have finally started the remodel and I hope that sucker is ready to fire up by June! Time will tell. :o)
Ventahood...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 15:08
Okay, guys, I just called Ventahood to inquire about the possibility of NFM (BIG store) being able to get my VAH liner at a more reasonable date. She thought it would be between first to mid-April which makes a big difference to us. Also, very good that I called them to confirm the model the salesman gave us because I felt he was not extremely confident in his knowledge of VAH. I was told by VAH that for our Cluny, if we are planning to use a grill plate at any time (which we are), we should get the model BH346PSLD which would give us the 900 cfm capacity. This is a 46 3/8" liner to fit inside a 48" hood. Our hood will be custom built in an arched shape so hope this will not be huge in size over that range. What do you all think? Also, she said definately do not mount the liner higher than 30" from the range ever. I have some concern about where that liner needs to be in relationship to the design of the arch but will be very careful to follow those instructions. Hope some of this information helps others of you and let me know what you're being recommended for the size of the Cluny range.
AC and hood recommendation...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Mar 22, 04 at 14:02
FYI, I just called Art Culinaire and Jeff confirmed this Ventahood liner size (46 3/8") for the Cluny only because of the 900 cfm and the fact we are making a custom hood so it won't be a problem to go bigger on the liner size. I was hoping we could also use the 40 3/8" liner but he said if one is using a custom hood and do not have a problem with space on either side and can have it larger then go for it especially if you plan to use a grill plate.
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· Posted by: hedgerow1 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 13:49
Oh my, I just thought I'd check in to see what's up in French ranges and discovered a bit of unpleasantness on the La Cornue thread. Well, I'm here to say that my little black Cluny has been cranking out the best meals I've ever made. Been having dinner parties so frequently I'm running out of friends to invite! The concept of food as bait for interesting people is not a new one, but one to which my Cluny is helping me to aspire! Or perhaps I have a new attitude and enthusiasm with a new kitchen in general. The things I have found wonderful on the Cluny are: Two ovens in a 40" space; the storage drawers warm plates and platters and can keep food warm in a pinch; the French Top heats up nicely from the use of the gas stove (without turning on the big burner) and is great for keeping serving dishes warm during the dinner hour without cooking them further; when turned on, the French Top makes gravy easy with the whole roasting pan heated evenly and it can handle several pots at the same time, doubling the capacity of the cooktop; the simmer burner can keep my pot of apples/cloves/cinnamon ("house deodorant")going all day to say nothing of stock etc.; and last but not least, it really looks beautiful. The couple of things I don't love are: no lights in the ovens; no self clean ovens; no timer. But I knew that going in and am learning to adjust. I have two timers going at once, and I am learning that oven temps and times do not have to be precise to turn out great food. That's a bit of the Aga philosophy, I guess. I clean only the gas oven bec. that is the one I roast in. It's pretty quick and easy--I just think I'll have to get one of those headstrap lights that mountain climbers wear so I can see what I'm doing! Last night I had dinner for eight. My husband grilled a butterflied leg of lamb and I took care of the rest: a hot hors d'oeuvre, roasted asparagus, scalloped potatoes, broiled tomatoes and croissant bread pudding--not difficult, but all cooked at about the same time. The Cluny handled it beautifully. I arranged the carved lamb was on a board on the kitchen table and the side dishes were self-serve from the French Top which was just warm enough from the gas oven to keep them perfect for second helpings 45 minutes later. It was a great simple Sunday night kitchen buffet supper with Cluny center stage. In my old kitchen, I was alone plating the food and scuttling to the dining room so that guests didn't have to witness the messy process. I know La Cornue is fabulous, but I think this may be a case of apples and oranges. Lacanche has the right price, features, and, well, attitude for my tastes and abilities. If I had more space, I might have added a warming cabinet. My 600 cfm ventahood is plenty for the cooking I do. And the tile that I used for the backsplash has been easy to keep clean. The black matte finish doesn't show fingerprints or any other marks. The stainless cooktop wipes clean with the lemon cleaner AC sent me. Hope this post is encouraging. Best to all, Carol
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 14:23
Carol-wow! You've made me very happy! I still have to wait about 7 more months to get into our new house. Every time I read a post like this, I growl! Your observations are similar to what I anticipate my feelings to be once I get mine. It's also good to get the heads-up in case I hadn't thought something through. I guess the light issue will take a little bit of getting used to, but, it's not a deterrent for me, either. Also good to know about the black matte finish, as I'm getting the same. With 4 kids and all....! What a delight it must be to walk into your kitchen everyday! How wonderful to want to cook for numbers of people! If you run out of people to invite for dinner...! Deb
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 19:16
Carol, thanks so much for your post. (Sorry, too, that I got a little owlie on that La Cornue thread...me <-- so bad.) :o) I have to admit I did not think about having no light in the oven. That wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me but good to think about ahead of time and I'll make sure our lighting is placed appropriately so thanks for mentioning that. Your food sounds scrumptious and I appreciate the information. It appears you are having a grand time with your Lacanche and gives us all waiting a lot to look forward to! :o)
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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 30, 04 at 18:27
Hi All, Just a report on the great customer service at AC. Our Cluny cooktop arrived last week with the top portion dented and scratched. But, we called AC and Stan gave us the choice of sending us parts and having it changed out here or returning it and they will change out the parts. I opted to send it back. My point is, Stan, wanted us to feel comfortable with the repairs, and it was OUR choice. We are very grateful and impressed with their customer service. Can't wait to get the kitchen done and the top in. Thanks all, Sue
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sat, Apr 3, 04 at 23:50
Reading the report on the scratched and dented cooktop has me thinking. The Cormatin arrived last week, but AC said as long as there was no visible damage the warranty will start from the date of install. Our house will not be finished for many months, and the Cormatin sits in it's crate in the barn. I didn't want to uncrate it and then move it w/o any protection. What is your take on this? Should I look now and chance denting it in the move to the new house but be able to see if there is a problem with it so I can get it corrected now, or should I wait to look at it for problems when we get it in the new house. I am of course anxious to see it, but don't want to scratch it up if it arrive all the way from France in one piece.
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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 4, 04 at 12:46
percheron, If AC told you not to uncrate it, I guess that is what you need to go with. AC told me I only had 14 days from date of delivery to make a claim and it was best to uncrate it while the freight company was here. Am I glad we did, because it was not visible until crate was taken off. Most likely, we could have done the replacement ourselves but I just did not want to chance it. I think the whole top may have to be replaced. But, what do I know? For the price, I think the company should do the replacements. Stan, was very nice and as I said, let us make the choice. Perhaps you could bring the range into the house a week or two before you plan to install it and uncrate then to look for damage and then if there is you can call for parts. Just an idea. Let us know what you decide. P.S. I love the cooktop and hated to say goodbye even for a little while. I must get cracking and decide on other appliances so I can get my kitchen done. My husband is getting anxious. Sue
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Apr 5, 04 at 9:57
Astonishingly, ours was not in a crate when it arrived and AC told us to immediately take all the plastic protection off and inspect it all over. We did and then moved it into the house to sit in our dining room.
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Mon, Apr 5, 04 at 13:20
Thanks, Chelly and Goodfun. I called AC and spoke with Jack the Technician. He told me he would give me all this week as Molly told me incorrectly when I asked her about the 15 day limit. Yes, the warranty starts with date of install, but there are 15 days (which is today) to inspect it and see if there is concealed damage. He told me critical points to inspect, but I said we need to see it all - what if something is damaged that is not in the "critcial point" area, and he agreed. I hoping it arrived w/o dents or scratches. We will see this week.
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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 1:23
percheron, I am keeping my fingers crossed for you! We received an email from AC today that they have just received my cooktop and that they will replace the dented parts there and also change the burner switch from european to american . At least I think that is what he said. I am not up on appliance parts, etc. But what a nice guy to do that. I am sure someone here could do it but I just think it was extra nice of them to even think to do it. Let us know about the unveiling.... Sue
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· Posted by: carolgnj (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 21:28
I haven't been on this site for a while, but as we approach the 1 year anniversary of our Cluny+1 install, I thought I'd add some thoughts. I agree with Carol on most things...the rangetop is great and very easy to keep clean; the ovens (including warming) have a lot of flexibility; and the service from AC is great. I use the microwave timer; the Vent-a-Hood 1200 cfm is more than enough. My only surprise has been that the ovens are more AGA-like as in low, medium and high heat versus precise temperature control. I have gotten best baking results when the ovens have preheated for at least 30 minutes. I recently added a rectangular baking stone to the electric oven. The Thanksgiving turkey came out perfectly in the gas oven...all 20 lbs. Things that are trickier are baked goods with short cooking times. They usually take longer to cook, unless the oven has been on for a long time. And...it is the most beautiful "furnishing" in our entire house.
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· Posted by: hedgerow1 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 22:08
Carolgnj: I have found the same re: elec. oven. And I, too, have added a small pizza stone to maintain the temp. more evenly. It seems to do the job. Made two loaves of pound cake yesterday and they came out perfectly at the correct time. The leg of lamb roasted in the usual time in the gas oven. I also agree that it's important to leave enough time to preheat. Like any other range, this has its quirks to which one becomes used. I am having such fun, and my husband has declared that the new kitchen was worth every cent and all the setbacks and compromises. That is saying a lot! Hang in there, guys! Best, Carol
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· Posted by: tsprinkle (My Page) on Wed, Apr 7, 04 at 20:00
I have had my red Cluny up and running for several months now. I agree with the posts above. The no light or timer is annoying but I am getting used to it. My electric convection oven is pretty reliable on temp (I keep thermometers in both ovens) but the gas oven does take a while to preheat. Also the exhaust vent on the gas oven causes the tile backsplash to get very hot. If I am roasting I simply take it off and reverse it. My convection electric oven does not allow enough room for my old sheet pans so I use samller dishes instead. All that being said, I would not change my decision. The stove in beautiful, I can actually sear meat, I can saute zucchini instead of essentially boiling it in its own juice like my other stove, and I love the french top. Truthfully, I don't use the french top often because 4 burners are normally enough -- but when I want to slow cook a bolognese or some other stew, it is wonderful to have. And of course AC has the most amazing customer service of any company I have ever dealt with.
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Fri, Apr 9, 04 at 20:29
Yesterday we uncrated the stove to find it is perfect condition. The grill plate that we ordered was no where to be found, but AC said no problem - they are sending us one. I mentioned that our pastry sheet had the paint scratched off, and they said there should be two pastry sheets, so they are sending us two new ones. Now, we need to get this house built so I can use the stove. And for any of you thinking of getting the Cormatin - the oven is not small at all, and I am used to one of the largest ovens available.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Apr 12, 04 at 11:05
percheron - I'm sure glad to hear your range was delivered undamaged. Wasn't it fun (although a little scary) to take your first look at it! :o) The grill plates do not come with the range because they are always shipped directly from AC. We got ours that way as well. Also, did you happen to get the special "island" spacer so you don't have to use that piece that comes with the range and sticks up on the wall? Sorry I didn't say that very well. :o) Anyway, unfortunately that piece has to be purchased separately and they don't always tell you about it. I had to ask based on a recommendation from a former poster and I'm really glad we were told to ask for it. I understand they are made locally in WA State so it ships from AC and that is why you can't stipulate it to ship with the range.
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 14:14
Our house is nearing completion. We're so excited to get settled in. My builder told me that he would hook the stove up but that I should call an expert to have my burners adjusted. Has anyone else had their burners professionally adusted? Is this something that I can do on my own? Thanks!
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 18:11
Jax--if you're talking about merely adjusting the simmer rate on the burners, that's very easy to do. I did my own with a small screwdriver. There's a video on the Lacanche site that shows you how to do it.
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 19:09
Lacanche owners...I saw an accessory on the owner's forum that I think I have to have. It's a splatter guard. Does anyone have it and is it worth it? Thanks. Deb
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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 23:52
MOMTO4KIDS, Can you post a photo? What does it look like? Sounds interesting to me too. Thanks, Sue
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Apr 15, 04 at 7:35
Here it is. What do you think? Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Splash Guard
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· Posted by: downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 10:33
If you are considering a Cormatin: Having used a Cluny w/ a french top for 2-3 months (family of 4), the only time we did anything that could not be done on a Cormatin was when my wife was cooking dinner and I was preparing pasta sauces for freezing --a blue moon even. Ovens are a different story. For Easter dinner DW used both Cluny ovens, the Advantium oven --and the oven on the old stove we are giving away.
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· Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 12:21
Yes, yes, downtowner, I'm glad you brought this up. I am probably getting tiresome because I keep pointing out that I'm a big fan of the French-built ranges, and would like to see more people own them. It makes me a little sad to think that people who want them so badly feel they can't afford them because they think they need them with six burners and two ovens. Alice Waters of Chez Panisse fame has a La Cornue range in her personal kitchen--a Cormatin comparable style--and she could have anything. She also has a wood-fired oven, and I think most Americans would be very happy with this set-up, trading the WB oven for a carefully calibrated electric oven (with timer, light, probe, self-cleaning, etc., somewhere else in their kitchen.) Otherwise, you're really destined to try to bake items to the closest 25 degrees, opening the windowless door to check periiodically, which does quite a job on the internal temp. The French don't mind this, because they patronize the neighborhood bakery. These very, very fast burners require some real watching to avoid disasters. I find I cook speedily, and move items off the burners to keep them warm. I, myself, couldn't keep up with more than 3-4 burners cooking at this speed. I am a strong advocate for the two-burner, large French top configuration (the equivalent of 4-5 burners) and a gas oven, which performs so well. I often wonder if people who have more burners use them mostly for landing space, and only really need them a few times a years. (Now we'll probably hear from the "I have all six burners going every night" people!) Maybe I'll start a new thread and take a survey... Pamela
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 13:02
Actually, there was a question about the 2 burner stove on this site, and this much surfaced--that most people responding use 2, sometimes 3 and almost never, all four burners. I made the point and will again, that most people cooking for a mob are doing some of it ahead of time, so it would be unusual to have to prepare 6 burners-worth in the same hour. Landing space is a good term--I think you are right.
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 14:19
Pamela-very interesting! I think it would be an interesting survey. I've posted before in other non-French range threads, that I regularly used all 6 of my burners on my Thermador cooktop, and always regretted not having more. In this rental house, we only have 4 burners...constantly exceeding that capacity and it drives me crazy. I have found that I have really cut way down on cooking. But, we're a family of six, all picky eaters. While I don't accommodate everyone's specific wishes for every meal, I do like to cook enough variety so I feel like everyone is getting enough of something they like! I'm looking forward to getting my range (in July, I hope). I agree, that people like me, are probably the exception regarding the number of burners they use on a REGULAR basis.
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· Posted by: reglilly (My Page) on Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 10:53
I've had my Fontenay (5 burners + French top) for about eight weeks now. Before I had four burners and reguarly had them all full, and when I cooked anything special, it was a horrible traffic jam. I still regularly have four burners going, but now I have the capacity to cook more elaborate meals. To VedaZu I would say that it is true that cooking large meals you often are able to cook some of it ahead of time. However, that stuff needs either to be kept warm or warmed up right before service, and in fact, the timing of a meal requires that every dish finish within a half an hour of the others, which means it's likely that you may be starting some things before you finish something else. All it takes is a few vegatable dishes, a starch, meat, sauces stocks and hot butter, maybe a first fish course, and you're quickly way over four burners. I've had all five burners going and three or four other pans on the French top (no to mention two ovens full with three dishes and a warming cabinet pressed into service. reg
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 14:27
Pamela, since you asked, we purchased the Cormatin, 2-burner, 1 French top setup. I can't wait to use it. My biggest problem has not been number of burners, but lack of large burner space for stock pots, paella pans, etc. If we really need an elaborate cooking setup, we use a combination of indoor and outdoor work. For me, planning is the key. If I were cooking a meal as Reg described (a few vegetable dishes, a starch, meat, sauces stocks and hot butter and maybe a first fish course) we would probably do the following: 1) fish course: simply on the grill or a lightly poached fish served room temperature. perhaps with a sauce to finish... burner use: 1 small area of the French top. 2) vegetable dishes: usually some raw vegetables (i.e. salad)... burner use: none. Some type of roasted vegetable to accompany meat... burner use: none. Some type of steamed/sauteed vegetable... burner use: 1 or 2 max. 3) starch: if not a roasted potato or gratin, then perhaps a grain (couscous, rice)... burner use: on the French top with the fish sauce. 4) meat: perhaps a searing of the meat first (thereby not taking the same time use as the starch or the vegetable or the sauce), then finish off in the oven, or grilling. If it's a slow-cooking meat dish such as coq au vin, other vegetables are included and there is rarely an additional sauce, so it would be a tradeoff with one of the aforementioned items.... burner use: net 0 5) sauce to accompany meat dish: perhaps a bernaise...burner use: again, trade out with the sauce pan used for the fish sauce: net 0 6) dessert, even a crepe suzette would only require one burner for me as in the years I worked at the creperie, we regularly cooked the crepes, kept them under parchment paper while preparing the dessert sauce, then assembled in the same pan to serve. All in all, I'd run out of pans (and hands, feet, elbows, and chin) before I could keep 5 burners and a French top going at the same time. Ann P.S. That was a fun exercise to think it through. I was starting to second guess myself on my purchase after reading so many posts of people getting humungous stoves!
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Fri, Apr 23, 04 at 8:35
Reglilly: Holy Hannah! I'm impressed! I can't even imagine what is in those three or four extra dishes on the French top--Go, girl!
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 13:57
We finally moved in! The house is not finished yet, but our kitchen is mostly done. I've had so much fun cooking with the Lacanche. I have a Sully with 7 burners one of which is the 18,000 btu large center burner. It was worth the wait. I'm still adjusting to cooking on a new stove. The transition is great for me as I am used to cooking on an electric stove. I think the biggest challenge is learning that it doesn't take 20 minutes for this stove to get hot! I can't wait to post pictures. I've got to get more boxes put away so you can actually see what's in the kitchen!
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· Posted by: Pirula (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 15:43
Yay!! Congratulations!! Can't wait to see pics! Ivette
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 19:12
Here's the link to the photos of our almost finished kitchen:
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· Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 22:31
Wow! Stunning kitchen!!!! The sparkling subway tile really makes the La Canche stand out. Beautiful integration of cabinetry and counter top elements throughout the kitchen and perfect complement to the style of your home and transom topped doorways. Congratulations. You will be loving every minute in this room!
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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 0:11
Thanks for posting the link to your pix. My Cluny 1400 is sitting in a crate waiting for the cabinetry to be finished, My palette is almost identical to yours so it really helps to see it all together. BTW, what species of wood is the floor and island? Thanks!
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· Posted by: Pirula (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 2:04
Excuse me while I swoon........ JacksMommy: you're killing me. BEAUTIFUL!!! oh, well done! Ivette
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 6:40
JacksMommy...absolutely goegeous! What a beautiful kitchen! The marble and soapstone combination is very elegant!
RE: JacksMommy--Don't Forget...
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 6:53
to post a link in the Kitchens Gallery!
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 11:01
Beautiful kitchen! I also love the wood on the island cabinetry and your countertops. Great job--it looks like a fun kitchen to cook in.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 14:00
JacksMommy - WONDERFUL! Thank you so much for the links! Just gorgeous. I can't believe how beautiful some of these kitchens are turning out. For some reason I do not have the confidence mine is going to be that beautiful. Maybe it is all the difficulty we've been going through of late but I sure hope it will look as pretty as these kitchens I see finished. WOW!!! :o)
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· Posted by: opkikid (My Page) on Wed, May 5, 04 at 9:57
Jacksmommy - I love your hood, it is exactly what I have in mind for our kitchen (which on paper will be very similar to yours, transom cabinets, soapstone, inset white cabs). What kind of ventilation system and liner did you use for the hood? Thanks!
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, May 5, 04 at 17:53
Thank you everyone for your fantastic compliments! Cooking SB: The floor is Maple. I really wanted to do Walnut but my husband wouldn't stretch our budget to accomodate it. We did white maple with ebony stain and it's a great second place for me! The center island is made of rustic cherry with a brown glaze over it. I think it's called rustic cherry because it has knots in it. We also chose to have it lightly distressed. opkikid: We have a Best Hood with the motor mounted on the roof. We also insulated the walls surrounding the hood and ductwork with a product called accoustablock (sp?) and I'm thrilled with how quiet it is! Zolablue: Your kitchen is going to be simply gorgeous, don't you worry!
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Thu, May 6, 04 at 15:06
Percheron, Did you decide on a hood? My KD thought that a larger hood would make the Cormatin look bigger. The cabinet co made a black wood hood 39 inches wide. What a disaster! It dwarfed the range. Now I'm frantically researching 30 inch wide 600+ cfm hoods (36 seems too wide after seeing the 39 inch)and am sooooo frustrated.
Posted by taosport (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 9:10
I am considering the Cluny plus 1 for a new kitchen project. I live in Atlanta and have not been able to see these stoves in person to check out the build quality. I have had an AGA for the past 4 years so I have become used to a really solid stove. Any comments on this or maybe someone near Atlanta has a Lacanche I could see?
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· Posted by: OSSWB (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 10:33
So are replacing the AGA? If so --- why?????
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 14:28
Just wanted to post that my Lacanche (Cormatin, black, 4 burner)was installed yesterday!! It is amazing!! DH is almost as thrilled as I. It is beautiful, solid and works perfectly. Oven temp is accurate and the 13,000 btu burner is very, very hot. The grill plate, griddle plate and simmer plate are the best I've seen, very well fitting and heavy. I'd post pics but my kitchen is not finished, actually it is not started, but that's a long story. Actually, Art Culinaire and my Lacanche have been the only things in my kitchen remodel that have not been disappointing and my list of people and things that did not perform as promised is sadly quite long. Good luck to you all as you navigate through your appliance choices. Jennifer
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 14:42
Jennifer! How exciting!! Congratulations on the installation of your Lacanche! Okay, so don't take a picture of the rest of your kitchen...but DO give us a peek at that range!! Deb
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 15:09
Yay, Jennifer! I think you ordered yours before I did mine, so it must be really gratifying to finally be cooking on it. Enjoy!
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Tue, Mar 2, 04 at 21:12
Thanks Anna and Momto4. I made salmon tonight and the outside was super crispy and the inside very moist, just like I like it. I also make Asian stirfry and the veggies were crisp and perfect. No more stewed veggies on my old Kenmore. That 13,600 btu hob is frightening! : ) Hubby is a bit over excited about it and just loves the wooshing sound it makes when it ignites. Did I mention how pretty it is? : )
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 7:03
You're teasing us! Pictures, PUHLEEEEZE! We won't look at any part of the kitchen that may happen to sneak into the picture! Promise!
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 7:45
Remember my post about 49 days? I miscalculated! It doesn't matter we're going to run over our April 15th deadline anyway. What else is new? The good news is that our cabinets are being delivered and next week installation starts. We're not that far away now from seeing what Sully is going to look like in the kitchen! YAY -- Yeah! Let's see some pictures Rosyjennifer! Pretty please?
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Wed, Mar 3, 04 at 20:41
I've seen a million websites for Lacanche in UK--at very nice prices. Does anyone have experience with shipping one over from there?
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 14:32
I haven't heard from anyone about my previous message, but wanted others to know that I called UK today--a store called ApplianceDepot. Got a real person instantly who was extremely knowledgeable, explained everything, including the fact that the Cluny had dropped in price this week, and told me I can have delivery in 8 weeks. They can't ship directly but gave me the name of an exporter. Called him. He spent lots of time with me, and long story short, it seems to be cheaper to do this purchase in the UK than to buy it here in U.S. Not to mention that the entire Lacanche website seems to be about people dreaming of owning one in a year's time. So, again, has anyone out there done this importing by themselves?
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· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 15:07
vedazu, Hi. In the year and 1/2 I've been checking this forum many have attempted to import a Lacanche and to my knowledge no one has been successful. I attempted it last year, but could find no one to export to me and ordered I mine through Art Culinaire. I even recall some who were attempting a group import to save on shipping and I believe that failed, too. I don't know how much you will save if you can make it work but you should be aware that you'll have to convert the electrical system ie: you just can't plug it in. An electrician can explain this better than I! Also, the range's controls will be in celcius. There was also some issue with the range not being UL listed and problems with homeowner's insurance if the range was improperly converted.
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 15:18
Rosyjennifer: Thanks for the heads up--but I thought since 220 current is standard for ranges, there wouldn't be a problem. . . .oh, well. I'll keep investigating.
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· Posted by: Hunzi (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 17:13
I am considering the Cluny plus 1 for a new kitchen project. I live in Atlanta and have not been able to see these stoves in person to check out the build quality. I have had an AGA for the past 4 years so I have become used to a really solid stove. Any comments on this or maybe someone near Atlanta has a Lacanche I could see? taosport, I noticed you said you're in Atlanta, but your profile says Idaho; does this mean you left your AGA behind in Idaho? Or have you had it for 4 years in Atlanta? Why the switch to Lacanche? (no offence intended to all the Lacanche lovers) Always ;-) Hunzi
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 19:54
VedaZu, After reading your post about saving money by importing a Lacanche from the UK I thought I might add my humble 2 cents. I'm not sure what the savings to you would be. But here are some things to consider. If there is a problem with the Lacanche will someone be willing and able to help you resolve it? Is the time your taking researching this starting to cost you money (meaning your time has value)? Will the money you save be worth the potential aggravation involved with importing a stove on your own and the electric conversion that is necessary? I'm only bringing these questions up because I have had a more than excellent experience thus far with AC. I've been working mainly with Stan who did not want to kill me after numerous changes to the order. So far they have gone above and beyond my expectations. I should add that I'm not related to them in any way and I'm not getting a kick-back for plugging them! ;) I also didn't have to wait a year for Sully. He actually is waiting for me. It did take 12 weeks for him to arrive. However, he arrived when they said he would. I wish you all the luck in the world. As long as there's a Lacanche in your kitchen you'll be just fine! :)
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Thu, Mar 4, 04 at 23:58
Jack's Mommy, Thanks for taking the time to write--these are all valid points, and I'll most surely speak to the U.S. reps, too, especially about delivery time. My brother, the electrician--who could be wrong, but not usually--tells me no conversion is necessary since these are 220 volts appliances and we use the same for ovens in the U.S.--the cycles are different in U.S., 60 as opposed to 50, but unless I care about the accuracy of clocks and timers--and I don't think there are any, I'm probably all right. (Now, I hope if he's wrong, lots of people will immediately write to me to tell me so!) But I'll let you know what I find. I sure want this stove! I've lived in Russia for long periods and had an Italian stove with a similar burner configuration. I'm not opposed to using Celsius.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:02
Rosyjennifer - Oh my gosh!!! I just found this as I've not had the time to get on the forums lately so I am VERY excited to hear you love your Lacanche and this has been a positive for you! That is just wonderful. I can relate to all the disappointments and we have not started yet but here's the good news. I "think" we are starting our tear down on Monday!!!! We finally found an awesome contractor and if we can finalize the contract on Saturday my house will be dust and glorious piles of junk on Monday. :o) vedaZu - I don't think you can get this done. Others have tried and AC is the only way to get a UL approved Lacanche into this country. There has been a LOT written on previous Lacanche threads regarding this issue and it is fraught with problems ranging from costs to convert to UL conformity and testing (which one posted will render the range unusable) to inability to insure, to difference in gas jets in France vs. USA and on and on. I would HIGHLY recommend you put your energy into working with AC because they have a gentlemen's agreement with all these overseas Lacanche dealers and I am quite sure there is no way to make this happen. In addition, if you ever need repairs or replacement parts you will wish you had worked with AC. They are extremely conscientious and they stand behind their product 100%. I personally would have never considered trying to sidestep their agreement with Europe to sell this range in America. It just won't happen.
Linking to Part 9...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:30
Thought we should link to past thread for reference.
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche ranges Part 9
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· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 0:35
Zolablue: Thanks for these thoughts! I've only just started this process, and came to the Lacanche 9 website, which looked for all the world like the Emperor's New Clothes: lots of people talking about a wonderful range which no one has yet! So, expecting to be last in line, I started exploring the other options. I'm sure you are all correct! I don't even know what you are talking about when you refer to AC--who/what is it? I've asked for a brochure from Frenchranges in U.S. (or whatever.) When I get it, I'm sure I'll understand more.
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· Posted by: lorieanne (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 9:58
I ordered my Volnay Lacanche in Jan. Now trying to figure out the vent situation. What size Vents are you all using for the cluny or volnay( 40"). I want the ventahood with the hearth look, but, I am not having it go all the way down to the counter on the sides. I planned on just some pretty corbels on the sides to support the wood hood as I am short on room on this wall. I had tentatively planned on a 42" (40 3/8 actual ventahood size) ventahood but the KD says I should go to 46 3/8 which really is a 48" cabinet hood. This seems way too big. The appliance store said I should be fine at the 40 3/8. What do you all feel is most appropriate? I want to keep as much cabinet space on either side of the range and the 48" hood seems like it will cut into my upper cabinets quite a bit. Thanks for any help you can offer. lorieanne
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 10:34
vedaZu - Well, I've had my Cluny sitting in my dining room since last June!!! :o) Unfortunately, we have had one heck of a time trying to find a contractor so there it sat! Many people from the forum ordered Lacanches but its too bad they did not stick around to comment after they were installed and so I keep reading remarks on other threads that we are all the "mutual admiration society" that only loves these things for their looks which, of course, is not the case. Some of those same people who took delivery on their Lacanches over a year ago are still posting and letting us know how they are functioning and we are grateful to them. I PROMISE to stick around a while after ours is in to report and answer any questions I can. I know how it feels to be on the other side desperately trying to find information about a range that you want but strongly hesitate to buy without seeing it. AC is Art Culinaire, the only USA Lacanche dealer located in WA State. They are very good people!!! :o) lorieanne - can you believe I have not yet investigated my hood? I am planning to buy a VAH (VentaHood) liner and put in a custom hood but this is one area that is causing me more than a little angst. I have a very specific idea about how I wish for it to look but as I said above we've been so preoccupied with other things trying to get the job going I have not gotten this done. I will be looking next week and if nobody else replies I will let you know what we are doing.
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 10:48
Lorieanne, whenever we get around to remodeling the kitchen and installing a hood, I'll probably go with the Vent-a-hood 42" liner with 300 and 600 cfm blowers, in a hearth-like enclosure. According to the specs from Art Culinaire, that should be just fine.
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 11:15
Lorieanne-I have my liners, but not my range! My range is the Sully +2, so it's 87" wide. I ordered 2 VAH 42" liners (dual blowers). They'll be tucked up inside a custom-built liner very much as you've described (see picture of my idea at the link). My hood and range will be inside a bit of an alcove. VAH recommended the configuration of two 42" units to me and said it wasn't necessary for me to exceed the sides by the customary 3". Plus, my hood will be 36" off the top of the range, which they also said was okay. It's so big, I don't want to feel consumed by it. Good luck with your hood! Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: Hood and Alcove for Lacanche Range
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 15:26
Zolablue: In honor of your promise I too promise that I will stick around after Sully is installed and being cooked on. VedaZu is right about the Emperor's New Clothes! I'm not letting the lack of posts worry me because I know bad news travels fast. All those former posting Lacanche owners are happily cooking away right now while we are all pining away for that moment. I know what I'd rather be doing right now! Lorieanne: I wish I could help you more on your hood liner situation. I'm getting a Sully which is 55 inches long. My appliance guy said that I will only need one 45 inch venter thing . We got a Best L4560 that is 1500 CFM. I would have preferred VAH based on what I've heard here but my kitchen designer and my appliance guy convinced me I should get Best. (And the builder already set up the kitchen for one!) I'm also not thrilled with a single unit, I think I should have had two smaller ones but what do I know? My appliance guy said because the lowest part of my hood has to be 36 inches off the stove it doesn't matter. I know that's probably not much help to you, but that's what we did with our hood anyway. ;) Deb: It sounds like your kitchen is going to be just amazing. I'm glad that you're doing the dual blowers. What are the CFMs on your blowers? Rumor has it around here that Sully gets installed next week. I'll be sure to take some preliminary photos to share although it won't be the same as the finished product. The builder's crew is bringing in extra help on Monday to lift the 629 pound stove up the stairs and into the house! I think they're going to template for the countertops too. YAY!
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 11:58
I have to go VAH shopping but before hand can any of you tell me what you think would be the best size to use for the liner? Would that be the 42"? I'm dumb on the subject and admit to not having gotten to this point yet and now I must! anna - I have the ventilation recommendations from AC but they say to get the 600 - 900 cfm blower so does that mean there are different options in the 42" liner? Btw, someone asked on a previous thread about the Lacanche hood but even AC will tell you not to buy that one.
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· Posted by: lindak5 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 16:48
Zolablue-I have the the 40" Cluny and VAH 40 3/8" liner with two blowers at 600 cfm-900 equivalent CFM, whatever that means. I believe the style is "PSLD". You can probably see the specs on it on their web site. I've had it for about a year now. Works fine, altho a little loud. I opted for the halogen lighting vs the flourescent-you get two with this size. My husband built a hood cover for it. My kitchen is the one that will take about another 1-2 years to complete cuz it's basically a DIYer for my husband. I'm content tho because my Cluny is up and running. Love it. Hope this helps. LindaK
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 18:34
No Lacanche Photos! I can't believe it! My builder re-crated Sully in its place in the kitchen! I can see a tiny portion of it through the space between the side of the crate and the cabinets. I guess I'll have to wait to share photos.
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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 19:10
I have the ventilation recommendations from AC but they say to get the 600 - 900 cfm blower so does that mean there are different options in the 42" liner? I *think* so. I believe with the 42" you can put in 2 blowers. I was planning to get one 300 and one 600 for a total of 900 CFMs when both are necessary (like when you're using all five of those burners for a huge meal!).
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 21:46
taosport - I live in Atlanta and LOVE my Cluny+1. Let me know if you want to come by and see it. I've included a link to my kitchen photos (including the Cluny).....
Here is a link that might be useful: Warren's kitchen
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· Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 22:02
Warren-- BEAUTIFUL kitchen. May I ask where you got your soapstone? Pamela
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 22:22
Yes, Warren! Beautiful! I'd like to know about your faucets. Deb
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 8:39
Soapstone came from a local warehouse (G&L Marble) but I think it was sourced from Green Mountain. Faucets are Perrin & Rowe
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· Posted by: kecs (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 11:56
Warren: Props on your gorgeous kitchen. What flooring is that I see in the pics? Thanks, Kris
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 13:08
Yellow travertine - laid in a running bond pattern with butt joints (virtually no grout).
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 14:43
Thanks, Anna and Linda for the VAH info. I have spent so long researching eveything and cannot believe how much I do not know about venting, lighting, etc. I'm in crunch time now to figure this out and never thought that would happen! :o) Warren - Come on...you're killin' me with that GORGOEOUS kitchen!!! Geeeeeeeeeeeez, it is WONDERFUL!!!
Cabinets?
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 15:01
Warren, please tell me what line of cabinets you have. They are drop-dead gorgeous!
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 17:49
I have two of the same VAH units that Linda K has. I guess it's a total of 1200 CFMs if all blowers are on.
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· Posted by: wrakoski (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 18:51
The kitchen was designed by Kitchensmith here in Atlanta (Highly Recommended - can't say enough about them) and the cabinets are by Signature. They are the elite beaded inset in linen white - we were going for a classic style since we live in an old house. The link to their website is below:
Here is a link that might be useful: Signature Custom Cabinetry
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· Posted by: postquake_angela (My Page) on Thu, Mar 11, 04 at 23:25
Warren, your kitchen is dreamy. Love the butcher block and the way you've positioned the prep faucet. And the stainless Lacanche is breathtaking.
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· Posted by: szkiki (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 7:48
Hello I am about to purchase the Sully, however I have some reservations about the cleaning. Can you help? The Burners: If you have a pasta spillover...where does the goey water go? Does it ever seep underneath the gas ring? Do crumbs fall under the ring. On other ranges (Wolf, La Cornue)...there is a tray to pull for cleaning. Can you explain please? Th Ovens: Are they hard to maintain? How do you clean them? Thankyou for taking the time to respond. Sincerely, Suzanne Westport, CT
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· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 19:32
Warren, I have to ditto your previous compliments! Your kitchen is gorgeous! Suzanne, I'm in Fairfield. Right now I've got about one more month to go before my home is finished. But you're welcome to see Sully in person if you'd like. Our Lacanche has a crate around it in its place in the kitchen for now but will be unveiled soon!
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Fri, Mar 12, 04 at 23:52
Since you were on the subject of hoods, does anyone have any ideas about hoods for a Cormatin? My KD wants to make the stove look big by having a hood bigger than the footprint of the stove (42" hood for the 27 3/4" Cormatin), but that seems odd. Any comments or even better, suggestions. AC e-mailed today and said the stove should arrive the week after next. But I'm not in a hurry, since our house isn't close to being completed.
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 10:28
Percheron, I purchased the Cormatin as well and the Vent-A-Hood Euroline Pro 36". I think something as large as the 42" will dwarf the Cormatin unless you're only using the liner and making an architectural statement for the entire cooking area. Everything's still in boxes and crates though so I won't have pictures ready for a few months, sorry.
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 13:37
Percheron, another Cormatin owner here. We bought the liner, and are installing it in a big box the length of our short wall, incorporating extra lights for a pot rack and a 27 inch counter next to the stove. (More of an architectural feature, as spacific is suggesting.) If it's just the hood, that does seem a little oversized to me as well, and why buy more hood than you really need? Most include the hood with shelving into an alcove or other type of arrangement than by oversizing the hood itself.
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· Posted by: FrenchTeacher (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 17:05
I haven't posted in a while, but have been checking in every so often. It sounds like some of you are progressing steadily. I'm so excited for you. I was just notified that my Cluny will be ready for shipping and that I should have it in about 3 weeks. I'm so excited, although my project still won't be starting until mid-June; cabinets will be installed in August sometime. Speaking of hoods, last week I ordered a copper hood from handcrafted metals (found them advertised on this site). They are very responsive and helpful. The style I chose is called the French country bell. There's a photo on their website. I'm going to have an island design, so it will be a focal point of the kitchen. They were recommending the 1000 cfm for an internal blower or 1400 if we go with an external one. The engineer said that by turning a more powerful blower on a lower setting, the noise will be less noticeable. Maybe this will help someone out there as you work your way throught this phase of your kitchen. Good luck!
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 18:12
French Teacher, Handcrafted Metals is making my sink(s) which should have shipped this week. (I started talking with them last November.) I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product as I know they care about what they do. They have been extremely helpful to me, and isn't it so nice to deal with a company that is still "Small Enough to Know You, and Big Enough to Serve You?" I'm glad you found them; I've been telling everyone I know!
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 04 at 19:43
Hi ClaredeLuna and Spacific: I should have provided more details. My husband is a blacksmith so he is making the hood. The KD thought a hood flaring out to 42" wide on the bottom would make the stove "look bigger". If I understand you correctly, you are saying that a 42" hood would most likely dwarf the stove. Please share your thoughts on a better hood design. I have a 19'+ galley which is a 30" deep recessed wall with the stove in the center, flanked by 2 long simulated divided light casements on either side with bottom cabinets underneath, and then a 39" pantry unit on one far end, and a 39" bottom freezer refrig on the other far end. No upper cabinets. A 12" long, 4' wide island will be parallel to the galley wall. Your ideas are valued and appreciated!
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 1:25
Percheron, I don't really have any suggestions, but I am wondering why your KD wants to make your stove look bigger. The Cormatin may be petite, but it has a lot of presence! It just seems like a 34-36 inch hood would be more in scale than 42 inches. (My concern is the hood making more of an impression by being top-heavy, rather than setting off your beautiful range!)
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 15:07
Hi ClaireDeLuna: Yes, thank you, 34-36" sounds more in line. We will use a liner and my husband will make the hood - is Ventahood the one of choice that you have found? I looked on the Handcrafted Metal site, and you will have a beautiful sink indeed. And FrenchTeacher, their hoods look like a wonderful complement to the Lacanche.
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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 16:34
Ventahood seemed like the best choice for us. We picked the pro style 34" liner to tuck up into our box. How nice that you will have a "Handcrafted" hood yourself, made by your husband! (Thank you; I'm really looking forward to seeing how those sinks turned out!) Good luck with your project.
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 19:08
What we are doing to make the cooking space the focal point overall, is to have the center hood flanked by two stainless shelves with hanging racks for pots. The cormatin will have a small cabinet (or cart) on either side with butcherblock tops. By not having upper cabinets squeezing in, I think it will help give the area some presence. You could do something similar on either side of the hood to complement the hood. Custom pothangers designed by DH? I do like the idea of flared ends for the hood as they will draw the eye horizontal, but when I first read your comments of the 42" hood, I immediately thought about very wide brimmed straw hats and how you don't see the face, but just the hat. I'll
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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 20:14
spacific-you'll what? ...stop laughing now?...come back later?...see you tomorrow? I'll...I'll...you're killing me! It's like when someone starts to tell me something and they completely draw a blank. It bothers ME more than it bothers them! BTW, I love the idea of the custom pot racks. Deb
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sun, Mar 14, 04 at 22:20
Hi Momto4Kids: You are funny! We will have to see what Spacific left out. Hi spacific: Yes, custom pot racks on the wall. I have never thought of that - what a great idea and great look. This sounds much better than the KD's idea of flanking the stove w/15" drawers on each side, and then flutes on the end of each drawer, bumping the whole thing out and putting a large hood on top. It sounds (and would look) too contrived. Thanks for your ideas!
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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Mon, Mar 15, 04 at 19:07
It was just a brain hiccup. I think I was going to say I'll post any other ideas I come up with. Guess I haven't come up with any more. Glad you like the one I had.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Wed, Mar 17, 04 at 15:15
For any of you who are buying the Ventahood liner for the Cluny - do you have a good source that would possibly sell to me in NE? I went to the only VAH dealer in town and their lead time for the size I'd need is the end of June! He said they may be able to get it sooner but this is the story of my life living in Omaha. We are torn apart and in the midst so I need to find a reliable source in case they cannot get this for me in good time. HELP!!! :o)
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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 0:23
Chelly, Try Thurston Kitchens in Denver. If you can't find the number, let me know and I will get it for you. Good luck!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10 - Vent-a-hood
· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 0:26
Chelly, P.S. Their number is 303 399-4564. I have never dealt with them, but I am dealing with one of their satellites in Western Colorado. I figured Denver would be much closer for you.
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 11:07
Thanks, Judy. Omaha is a fairly large city but so conservative - buying things I want is more like pulling teeth! :o)
· Posted by: Nebs (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:08
Why not try contacting Ventahood and asking if there are any distributors in your area. If there are none, ask about Des Moines or Kansas City.
Here is a link that might be useful: Ventahood
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· Posted by: Hunzi (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:12
Zola, I'm in Omaha too! Can I come oooh and ahhh over your Lacanche when you get it installed? I'd love to see one in person. Always ;-) Hunzi
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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 14:34
Hunzi, sure anytime! :o) Right now it is in our LR covered with blankets and plastic so I have not seen it for a couple weeks and actually miss it. But at least we have finally started the remodel and I hope that sucker is ready to fire up by June! Time will tell. :o)
Ventahood...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 18, 04 at 15:08
Okay, guys, I just called Ventahood to inquire about the possibility of NFM (BIG store) being able to get my VAH liner at a more reasonable date. She thought it would be between first to mid-April which makes a big difference to us. Also, very good that I called them to confirm the model the salesman gave us because I felt he was not extremely confident in his knowledge of VAH. I was told by VAH that for our Cluny, if we are planning to use a grill plate at any time (which we are), we should get the model BH346PSLD which would give us the 900 cfm capacity. This is a 46 3/8" liner to fit inside a 48" hood. Our hood will be custom built in an arched shape so hope this will not be huge in size over that range. What do you all think? Also, she said definately do not mount the liner higher than 30" from the range ever. I have some concern about where that liner needs to be in relationship to the design of the arch but will be very careful to follow those instructions. Hope some of this information helps others of you and let me know what you're being recommended for the size of the Cluny range.
AC and hood recommendation...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Mar 22, 04 at 14:02
FYI, I just called Art Culinaire and Jeff confirmed this Ventahood liner size (46 3/8") for the Cluny only because of the 900 cfm and the fact we are making a custom hood so it won't be a problem to go bigger on the liner size. I was hoping we could also use the 40 3/8" liner but he said if one is using a custom hood and do not have a problem with space on either side and can have it larger then go for it especially if you plan to use a grill plate.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: hedgerow1 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 13:49
Oh my, I just thought I'd check in to see what's up in French ranges and discovered a bit of unpleasantness on the La Cornue thread. Well, I'm here to say that my little black Cluny has been cranking out the best meals I've ever made. Been having dinner parties so frequently I'm running out of friends to invite! The concept of food as bait for interesting people is not a new one, but one to which my Cluny is helping me to aspire! Or perhaps I have a new attitude and enthusiasm with a new kitchen in general. The things I have found wonderful on the Cluny are: Two ovens in a 40" space; the storage drawers warm plates and platters and can keep food warm in a pinch; the French Top heats up nicely from the use of the gas stove (without turning on the big burner) and is great for keeping serving dishes warm during the dinner hour without cooking them further; when turned on, the French Top makes gravy easy with the whole roasting pan heated evenly and it can handle several pots at the same time, doubling the capacity of the cooktop; the simmer burner can keep my pot of apples/cloves/cinnamon ("house deodorant")going all day to say nothing of stock etc.; and last but not least, it really looks beautiful. The couple of things I don't love are: no lights in the ovens; no self clean ovens; no timer. But I knew that going in and am learning to adjust. I have two timers going at once, and I am learning that oven temps and times do not have to be precise to turn out great food. That's a bit of the Aga philosophy, I guess. I clean only the gas oven bec. that is the one I roast in. It's pretty quick and easy--I just think I'll have to get one of those headstrap lights that mountain climbers wear so I can see what I'm doing! Last night I had dinner for eight. My husband grilled a butterflied leg of lamb and I took care of the rest: a hot hors d'oeuvre, roasted asparagus, scalloped potatoes, broiled tomatoes and croissant bread pudding--not difficult, but all cooked at about the same time. The Cluny handled it beautifully. I arranged the carved lamb was on a board on the kitchen table and the side dishes were self-serve from the French Top which was just warm enough from the gas oven to keep them perfect for second helpings 45 minutes later. It was a great simple Sunday night kitchen buffet supper with Cluny center stage. In my old kitchen, I was alone plating the food and scuttling to the dining room so that guests didn't have to witness the messy process. I know La Cornue is fabulous, but I think this may be a case of apples and oranges. Lacanche has the right price, features, and, well, attitude for my tastes and abilities. If I had more space, I might have added a warming cabinet. My 600 cfm ventahood is plenty for the cooking I do. And the tile that I used for the backsplash has been easy to keep clean. The black matte finish doesn't show fingerprints or any other marks. The stainless cooktop wipes clean with the lemon cleaner AC sent me. Hope this post is encouraging. Best to all, Carol
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 14:23
Carol-wow! You've made me very happy! I still have to wait about 7 more months to get into our new house. Every time I read a post like this, I growl! Your observations are similar to what I anticipate my feelings to be once I get mine. It's also good to get the heads-up in case I hadn't thought something through. I guess the light issue will take a little bit of getting used to, but, it's not a deterrent for me, either. Also good to know about the black matte finish, as I'm getting the same. With 4 kids and all....! What a delight it must be to walk into your kitchen everyday! How wonderful to want to cook for numbers of people! If you run out of people to invite for dinner...! Deb
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 04 at 19:16
Carol, thanks so much for your post. (Sorry, too, that I got a little owlie on that La Cornue thread...me <-- so bad.) :o) I have to admit I did not think about having no light in the oven. That wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me but good to think about ahead of time and I'll make sure our lighting is placed appropriately so thanks for mentioning that. Your food sounds scrumptious and I appreciate the information. It appears you are having a grand time with your Lacanche and gives us all waiting a lot to look forward to! :o)
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 30, 04 at 18:27
Hi All, Just a report on the great customer service at AC. Our Cluny cooktop arrived last week with the top portion dented and scratched. But, we called AC and Stan gave us the choice of sending us parts and having it changed out here or returning it and they will change out the parts. I opted to send it back. My point is, Stan, wanted us to feel comfortable with the repairs, and it was OUR choice. We are very grateful and impressed with their customer service. Can't wait to get the kitchen done and the top in. Thanks all, Sue
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Sat, Apr 3, 04 at 23:50
Reading the report on the scratched and dented cooktop has me thinking. The Cormatin arrived last week, but AC said as long as there was no visible damage the warranty will start from the date of install. Our house will not be finished for many months, and the Cormatin sits in it's crate in the barn. I didn't want to uncrate it and then move it w/o any protection. What is your take on this? Should I look now and chance denting it in the move to the new house but be able to see if there is a problem with it so I can get it corrected now, or should I wait to look at it for problems when we get it in the new house. I am of course anxious to see it, but don't want to scratch it up if it arrive all the way from France in one piece.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 4, 04 at 12:46
percheron, If AC told you not to uncrate it, I guess that is what you need to go with. AC told me I only had 14 days from date of delivery to make a claim and it was best to uncrate it while the freight company was here. Am I glad we did, because it was not visible until crate was taken off. Most likely, we could have done the replacement ourselves but I just did not want to chance it. I think the whole top may have to be replaced. But, what do I know? For the price, I think the company should do the replacements. Stan, was very nice and as I said, let us make the choice. Perhaps you could bring the range into the house a week or two before you plan to install it and uncrate then to look for damage and then if there is you can call for parts. Just an idea. Let us know what you decide. P.S. I love the cooktop and hated to say goodbye even for a little while. I must get cracking and decide on other appliances so I can get my kitchen done. My husband is getting anxious. Sue
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Apr 5, 04 at 9:57
Astonishingly, ours was not in a crate when it arrived and AC told us to immediately take all the plastic protection off and inspect it all over. We did and then moved it into the house to sit in our dining room.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Mon, Apr 5, 04 at 13:20
Thanks, Chelly and Goodfun. I called AC and spoke with Jack the Technician. He told me he would give me all this week as Molly told me incorrectly when I asked her about the 15 day limit. Yes, the warranty starts with date of install, but there are 15 days (which is today) to inspect it and see if there is concealed damage. He told me critical points to inspect, but I said we need to see it all - what if something is damaged that is not in the "critcial point" area, and he agreed. I hoping it arrived w/o dents or scratches. We will see this week.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 1:23
percheron, I am keeping my fingers crossed for you! We received an email from AC today that they have just received my cooktop and that they will replace the dented parts there and also change the burner switch from european to american . At least I think that is what he said. I am not up on appliance parts, etc. But what a nice guy to do that. I am sure someone here could do it but I just think it was extra nice of them to even think to do it. Let us know about the unveiling.... Sue
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: carolgnj (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 21:28
I haven't been on this site for a while, but as we approach the 1 year anniversary of our Cluny+1 install, I thought I'd add some thoughts. I agree with Carol on most things...the rangetop is great and very easy to keep clean; the ovens (including warming) have a lot of flexibility; and the service from AC is great. I use the microwave timer; the Vent-a-Hood 1200 cfm is more than enough. My only surprise has been that the ovens are more AGA-like as in low, medium and high heat versus precise temperature control. I have gotten best baking results when the ovens have preheated for at least 30 minutes. I recently added a rectangular baking stone to the electric oven. The Thanksgiving turkey came out perfectly in the gas oven...all 20 lbs. Things that are trickier are baked goods with short cooking times. They usually take longer to cook, unless the oven has been on for a long time. And...it is the most beautiful "furnishing" in our entire house.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: hedgerow1 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 6, 04 at 22:08
Carolgnj: I have found the same re: elec. oven. And I, too, have added a small pizza stone to maintain the temp. more evenly. It seems to do the job. Made two loaves of pound cake yesterday and they came out perfectly at the correct time. The leg of lamb roasted in the usual time in the gas oven. I also agree that it's important to leave enough time to preheat. Like any other range, this has its quirks to which one becomes used. I am having such fun, and my husband has declared that the new kitchen was worth every cent and all the setbacks and compromises. That is saying a lot! Hang in there, guys! Best, Carol
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: tsprinkle (My Page) on Wed, Apr 7, 04 at 20:00
I have had my red Cluny up and running for several months now. I agree with the posts above. The no light or timer is annoying but I am getting used to it. My electric convection oven is pretty reliable on temp (I keep thermometers in both ovens) but the gas oven does take a while to preheat. Also the exhaust vent on the gas oven causes the tile backsplash to get very hot. If I am roasting I simply take it off and reverse it. My convection electric oven does not allow enough room for my old sheet pans so I use samller dishes instead. All that being said, I would not change my decision. The stove in beautiful, I can actually sear meat, I can saute zucchini instead of essentially boiling it in its own juice like my other stove, and I love the french top. Truthfully, I don't use the french top often because 4 burners are normally enough -- but when I want to slow cook a bolognese or some other stew, it is wonderful to have. And of course AC has the most amazing customer service of any company I have ever dealt with.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Fri, Apr 9, 04 at 20:29
Yesterday we uncrated the stove to find it is perfect condition. The grill plate that we ordered was no where to be found, but AC said no problem - they are sending us one. I mentioned that our pastry sheet had the paint scratched off, and they said there should be two pastry sheets, so they are sending us two new ones. Now, we need to get this house built so I can use the stove. And for any of you thinking of getting the Cormatin - the oven is not small at all, and I am used to one of the largest ovens available.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Apr 12, 04 at 11:05
percheron - I'm sure glad to hear your range was delivered undamaged. Wasn't it fun (although a little scary) to take your first look at it! :o) The grill plates do not come with the range because they are always shipped directly from AC. We got ours that way as well. Also, did you happen to get the special "island" spacer so you don't have to use that piece that comes with the range and sticks up on the wall? Sorry I didn't say that very well. :o) Anyway, unfortunately that piece has to be purchased separately and they don't always tell you about it. I had to ask based on a recommendation from a former poster and I'm really glad we were told to ask for it. I understand they are made locally in WA State so it ships from AC and that is why you can't stipulate it to ship with the range.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 14:14
Our house is nearing completion. We're so excited to get settled in. My builder told me that he would hook the stove up but that I should call an expert to have my burners adjusted. Has anyone else had their burners professionally adusted? Is this something that I can do on my own? Thanks!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 18:11
Jax--if you're talking about merely adjusting the simmer rate on the burners, that's very easy to do. I did my own with a small screwdriver. There's a video on the Lacanche site that shows you how to do it.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 19:09
Lacanche owners...I saw an accessory on the owner's forum that I think I have to have. It's a splatter guard. Does anyone have it and is it worth it? Thanks. Deb
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 23:52
MOMTO4KIDS, Can you post a photo? What does it look like? Sounds interesting to me too. Thanks, Sue
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Apr 15, 04 at 7:35
Here it is. What do you think? Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Splash Guard
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: downtowner (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 10:33
If you are considering a Cormatin: Having used a Cluny w/ a french top for 2-3 months (family of 4), the only time we did anything that could not be done on a Cormatin was when my wife was cooking dinner and I was preparing pasta sauces for freezing --a blue moon even. Ovens are a different story. For Easter dinner DW used both Cluny ovens, the Advantium oven --and the oven on the old stove we are giving away.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 12:21
Yes, yes, downtowner, I'm glad you brought this up. I am probably getting tiresome because I keep pointing out that I'm a big fan of the French-built ranges, and would like to see more people own them. It makes me a little sad to think that people who want them so badly feel they can't afford them because they think they need them with six burners and two ovens. Alice Waters of Chez Panisse fame has a La Cornue range in her personal kitchen--a Cormatin comparable style--and she could have anything. She also has a wood-fired oven, and I think most Americans would be very happy with this set-up, trading the WB oven for a carefully calibrated electric oven (with timer, light, probe, self-cleaning, etc., somewhere else in their kitchen.) Otherwise, you're really destined to try to bake items to the closest 25 degrees, opening the windowless door to check periiodically, which does quite a job on the internal temp. The French don't mind this, because they patronize the neighborhood bakery. These very, very fast burners require some real watching to avoid disasters. I find I cook speedily, and move items off the burners to keep them warm. I, myself, couldn't keep up with more than 3-4 burners cooking at this speed. I am a strong advocate for the two-burner, large French top configuration (the equivalent of 4-5 burners) and a gas oven, which performs so well. I often wonder if people who have more burners use them mostly for landing space, and only really need them a few times a years. (Now we'll probably hear from the "I have all six burners going every night" people!) Maybe I'll start a new thread and take a survey... Pamela
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 13:02
Actually, there was a question about the 2 burner stove on this site, and this much surfaced--that most people responding use 2, sometimes 3 and almost never, all four burners. I made the point and will again, that most people cooking for a mob are doing some of it ahead of time, so it would be unusual to have to prepare 6 burners-worth in the same hour. Landing space is a good term--I think you are right.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 14:19
Pamela-very interesting! I think it would be an interesting survey. I've posted before in other non-French range threads, that I regularly used all 6 of my burners on my Thermador cooktop, and always regretted not having more. In this rental house, we only have 4 burners...constantly exceeding that capacity and it drives me crazy. I have found that I have really cut way down on cooking. But, we're a family of six, all picky eaters. While I don't accommodate everyone's specific wishes for every meal, I do like to cook enough variety so I feel like everyone is getting enough of something they like! I'm looking forward to getting my range (in July, I hope). I agree, that people like me, are probably the exception regarding the number of burners they use on a REGULAR basis.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: reglilly (My Page) on Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 10:53
I've had my Fontenay (5 burners + French top) for about eight weeks now. Before I had four burners and reguarly had them all full, and when I cooked anything special, it was a horrible traffic jam. I still regularly have four burners going, but now I have the capacity to cook more elaborate meals. To VedaZu I would say that it is true that cooking large meals you often are able to cook some of it ahead of time. However, that stuff needs either to be kept warm or warmed up right before service, and in fact, the timing of a meal requires that every dish finish within a half an hour of the others, which means it's likely that you may be starting some things before you finish something else. All it takes is a few vegatable dishes, a starch, meat, sauces stocks and hot butter, maybe a first fish course, and you're quickly way over four burners. I've had all five burners going and three or four other pans on the French top (no to mention two ovens full with three dishes and a warming cabinet pressed into service. reg
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Wed, Apr 21, 04 at 14:27
Pamela, since you asked, we purchased the Cormatin, 2-burner, 1 French top setup. I can't wait to use it. My biggest problem has not been number of burners, but lack of large burner space for stock pots, paella pans, etc. If we really need an elaborate cooking setup, we use a combination of indoor and outdoor work. For me, planning is the key. If I were cooking a meal as Reg described (a few vegetable dishes, a starch, meat, sauces stocks and hot butter and maybe a first fish course) we would probably do the following: 1) fish course: simply on the grill or a lightly poached fish served room temperature. perhaps with a sauce to finish... burner use: 1 small area of the French top. 2) vegetable dishes: usually some raw vegetables (i.e. salad)... burner use: none. Some type of roasted vegetable to accompany meat... burner use: none. Some type of steamed/sauteed vegetable... burner use: 1 or 2 max. 3) starch: if not a roasted potato or gratin, then perhaps a grain (couscous, rice)... burner use: on the French top with the fish sauce. 4) meat: perhaps a searing of the meat first (thereby not taking the same time use as the starch or the vegetable or the sauce), then finish off in the oven, or grilling. If it's a slow-cooking meat dish such as coq au vin, other vegetables are included and there is rarely an additional sauce, so it would be a tradeoff with one of the aforementioned items.... burner use: net 0 5) sauce to accompany meat dish: perhaps a bernaise...burner use: again, trade out with the sauce pan used for the fish sauce: net 0 6) dessert, even a crepe suzette would only require one burner for me as in the years I worked at the creperie, we regularly cooked the crepes, kept them under parchment paper while preparing the dessert sauce, then assembled in the same pan to serve. All in all, I'd run out of pans (and hands, feet, elbows, and chin) before I could keep 5 burners and a French top going at the same time. Ann P.S. That was a fun exercise to think it through. I was starting to second guess myself on my purchase after reading so many posts of people getting humungous stoves!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: vedaZu (My Page) on Fri, Apr 23, 04 at 8:35
Reglilly: Holy Hannah! I'm impressed! I can't even imagine what is in those three or four extra dishes on the French top--Go, girl!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 13:57
We finally moved in! The house is not finished yet, but our kitchen is mostly done. I've had so much fun cooking with the Lacanche. I have a Sully with 7 burners one of which is the 18,000 btu large center burner. It was worth the wait. I'm still adjusting to cooking on a new stove. The transition is great for me as I am used to cooking on an electric stove. I think the biggest challenge is learning that it doesn't take 20 minutes for this stove to get hot! I can't wait to post pictures. I've got to get more boxes put away so you can actually see what's in the kitchen!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Pirula (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 15:43
Yay!! Congratulations!! Can't wait to see pics! Ivette
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 19:12
Here's the link to the photos of our almost finished kitchen:
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 04 at 22:31
Wow! Stunning kitchen!!!! The sparkling subway tile really makes the La Canche stand out. Beautiful integration of cabinetry and counter top elements throughout the kitchen and perfect complement to the style of your home and transom topped doorways. Congratulations. You will be loving every minute in this room!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 0:11
Thanks for posting the link to your pix. My Cluny 1400 is sitting in a crate waiting for the cabinetry to be finished, My palette is almost identical to yours so it really helps to see it all together. BTW, what species of wood is the floor and island? Thanks!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Pirula (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 2:04
Excuse me while I swoon........ JacksMommy: you're killing me. BEAUTIFUL!!! oh, well done! Ivette
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 6:40
JacksMommy...absolutely goegeous! What a beautiful kitchen! The marble and soapstone combination is very elegant!
RE: JacksMommy--Don't Forget...
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 6:53
to post a link in the Kitchens Gallery!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 11:01
Beautiful kitchen! I also love the wood on the island cabinetry and your countertops. Great job--it looks like a fun kitchen to cook in.
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 04 at 14:00
JacksMommy - WONDERFUL! Thank you so much for the links! Just gorgeous. I can't believe how beautiful some of these kitchens are turning out. For some reason I do not have the confidence mine is going to be that beautiful. Maybe it is all the difficulty we've been going through of late but I sure hope it will look as pretty as these kitchens I see finished. WOW!!! :o)
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: opkikid (My Page) on Wed, May 5, 04 at 9:57
Jacksmommy - I love your hood, it is exactly what I have in mind for our kitchen (which on paper will be very similar to yours, transom cabinets, soapstone, inset white cabs). What kind of ventilation system and liner did you use for the hood? Thanks!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Wed, May 5, 04 at 17:53
Thank you everyone for your fantastic compliments! Cooking SB: The floor is Maple. I really wanted to do Walnut but my husband wouldn't stretch our budget to accomodate it. We did white maple with ebony stain and it's a great second place for me! The center island is made of rustic cherry with a brown glaze over it. I think it's called rustic cherry because it has knots in it. We also chose to have it lightly distressed. opkikid: We have a Best Hood with the motor mounted on the roof. We also insulated the walls surrounding the hood and ductwork with a product called accoustablock (sp?) and I'm thrilled with how quiet it is! Zolablue: Your kitchen is going to be simply gorgeous, don't you worry!
RE: lacanche ranges part 10
· Posted by: Rosyjennifer (My Page) on Thu, May 6, 04 at 15:06
Percheron, Did you decide on a hood? My KD thought that a larger hood would make the Cormatin look bigger. The cabinet co made a black wood hood 39 inches wide. What a disaster! It dwarfed the range. Now I'm frantically researching 30 inch wide 600+ cfm hoods (36 seems too wide after seeing the 39 inch)and am sooooo frustrated.